25% doesn’t come close to Africa, there wasn’t a bulldozer in most of the world.
The Sarrah is on a 21k desert/rainforest cycle and has been for 8 million years…
So evidence of agriculture in Africa is under a shit ton of sand. Evidence in South America is under new rainforest from the potassium being blown over from Africa, and itself part of the cycle.
Like, even in rare cases that could support agriculture the whole time, if people lived there 20k years, then that’s why there’s no evidence.
I grew up on a farm, finding arrowheads, broken pottery, and all types of other shit was normal because that’s what happens as you till soil. That land had been worked for thousands of years, which means a constant churn and removal of artifacts from just centuries ago.
If you keep living and working on the same land, you’re constantly removing evidence that the land was worked.
I already referenced the Green Sahara cycle, I’m aware. The green period only lasts ≈10,000 years per cycle. The entire cycle is ≈23,000 years, and is tied to the Earth’s axis wobble. It would be far more likely to find evidence in a more stable area rather than somewhere that causes Lake Chad to become Lake Gigachad (not what it’s called, I know, don’t care, sounds better.) every ≈13,000 years. There’s a fuckton of water moving through that area from what we can tell.
I also have lived on, and grew up on a farm, in the Midwest, tons of arrowheads of you knew where to look. The thing is that archaologists would literally kill each other to find any evidence of modern agriculture that is older than 12,000-15,000 years ago. They’ve found plenty of stuff to indicate that we spread out well before then, and that there were hunter-gatherer civilisations well before then. Not one of them has yet to find any evidence, even with the latest scanning tech that allows us not to dig, that anyone was farming prior to 12,000-15,000 years ago, and then we all started doing it. If archaologists can find evidence of something humanoid (may not have been homo-sapiens) in the area of San Diego either 125,000 or 250,000, I don’t remember, years ago way back in the '90s, and they haven’t found one shred of evidence that farming existed prior to 15,000 years ago, I’m gonna have to go with the professionals here.
We’ve found evidence of ancient cultures that existed in the Green Sahara, and in South America. They’ve flown ground penetrating scanners over almost all of the planet at this point. Someone would have found the data.
Or is it an accident you’re using their exact same logic?
Because to quote Donald Rumsfeld:
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
Especially when what we’re talking about is evidence of agriculture over 20k years ago, what the actual fuck do you think would still be there? A rusted out Ford tractor?
There’s gonna be the same amount of evidence as for when I farted in 5th grade science class decades ago, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It just means no evidence survived this long.
Evidence of a stone hoe knapped at that time, like we have found everywhere that there was agriculture, would be a start. Evidence of some sort of tilling, which would still be there even if buried would be better. We have found neither.
Thanks. I’m no where qualified to actually discuss archaeology as it is practiced, but there do seem to be a few common things found at ancient sites, mostly broken pottery and broken stone tools. I’m assuming because we had to make a lot of the things prior to discovering metalworking.
We found a banana peel from last week, if bananas existed 100 years ago, the planet would be covered in ancient banana peels, hence we know bananas are at most a week old!
Best of luck pal, but you’re gonna have to find someone else now
The Sarrah is on a 21k desert/rainforest cycle and has been for 8 million years…
So evidence of agriculture in Africa is under a shit ton of sand. Evidence in South America is under new rainforest from the potassium being blown over from Africa, and itself part of the cycle.
Like, even in rare cases that could support agriculture the whole time, if people lived there 20k years, then that’s why there’s no evidence.
I grew up on a farm, finding arrowheads, broken pottery, and all types of other shit was normal because that’s what happens as you till soil. That land had been worked for thousands of years, which means a constant churn and removal of artifacts from just centuries ago.
If you keep living and working on the same land, you’re constantly removing evidence that the land was worked.
On a scale of 20k years, that shit adds up bro.
I already referenced the Green Sahara cycle, I’m aware. The green period only lasts ≈10,000 years per cycle. The entire cycle is ≈23,000 years, and is tied to the Earth’s axis wobble. It would be far more likely to find evidence in a more stable area rather than somewhere that causes Lake Chad to become Lake Gigachad (not what it’s called, I know, don’t care, sounds better.) every ≈13,000 years. There’s a fuckton of water moving through that area from what we can tell.
I also have lived on, and grew up on a farm, in the Midwest, tons of arrowheads of you knew where to look. The thing is that archaologists would literally kill each other to find any evidence of modern agriculture that is older than 12,000-15,000 years ago. They’ve found plenty of stuff to indicate that we spread out well before then, and that there were hunter-gatherer civilisations well before then. Not one of them has yet to find any evidence, even with the latest scanning tech that allows us not to dig, that anyone was farming prior to 12,000-15,000 years ago, and then we all started doing it. If archaologists can find evidence of something humanoid (may not have been homo-sapiens) in the area of San Diego either 125,000 or 250,000, I don’t remember, years ago way back in the '90s, and they haven’t found one shred of evidence that farming existed prior to 15,000 years ago, I’m gonna have to go with the professionals here.
We’ve found evidence of ancient cultures that existed in the Green Sahara, and in South America. They’ve flown ground penetrating scanners over almost all of the planet at this point. Someone would have found the data.
Are you arguing for young Earth creationism now?
Or is it an accident you’re using their exact same logic?
Because to quote Donald Rumsfeld:
Especially when what we’re talking about is evidence of agriculture over 20k years ago, what the actual fuck do you think would still be there? A rusted out Ford tractor?
There’s gonna be the same amount of evidence as for when I farted in 5th grade science class decades ago, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It just means no evidence survived this long.
Evidence of a stone hoe knapped at that time, like we have found everywhere that there was agriculture, would be a start. Evidence of some sort of tilling, which would still be there even if buried would be better. We have found neither.
Thanks for trying to engage in a good-faith discussion here.
I’d have thought the guy who said, “Archaeology exists, bro,” would be interested in what archaeology is actually able to tell us.
Thanks. I’m no where qualified to actually discuss archaeology as it is practiced, but there do seem to be a few common things found at ancient sites, mostly broken pottery and broken stone tools. I’m assuming because we had to make a lot of the things prior to discovering metalworking.
Best of luck pal, but you’re gonna have to find someone else now
Not even close to what I said. It would be nice if you would read what I wrote.