You know I’m okay with Windows running updates I shut down or anything else like that. It’s incredibly annoying when people don’t run updates and then wonder why their system gets fucked up. It’s just like on Linux when people just absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact that they need to run updates. And many times I need to run the updates manually through the command line. There are quite a few gooey applications and things like that that will allow you to run updates but many times you still have to run them manually. And then something breaks and people wonder why I broke when they didn’t run any updates. So in the end really who gives a fuck if it’s running updates on shutdown you hit the button says run updates you tell it to run updates and you either close the lid on your laptop and walk away or you carry it till it shuts down within a few minutes and then you shut it down. Or you just let your desktop run until it’s done. It’s really not that big of a deal that people here seem to make it out to be and seem to make 10 different memes a day about the shutdown process on whatever OS they want to shut down.
For most people, especially work computer/laptop users, making the update happen by default on restart or during sleep hours does a lot to keep the pc updated, because they would otherwise never do it themselves. There is a somewhat large minority of users who complain about such behaviour, but these are mostly people into computers anyways and can update their stuff anyways.
But the biggest gripe is the horrid implementation of the start menu power buttons in windows:
update and restart: mostly works as you would expect - updates and boots the pc
update and shutdown: updates the pc, and instead of leaving the pc in shutdown state, many times it just boots the pc again, working like update and restart
restart/shutdown without updating: non-insignificant chance of it doing the update anyways
But you don’t need to restart Linux for updates most of the time, basically just kernel updates, and those aren’t often done more than once a month or so, less for fixed point release distros
And you don’t necessarily need to reboot Windows for all of their updates either if you keep it updated. But there’s quite a few updates I’ve run on Linux especially servers that have been neglected when I’ve gone into companies because people are like herder I don’t need to patch or update anything on linux that do require reboots.
One of my systems [that is actually in use], I’ve not run an update for near as long again as how long it’s been since I rebooted it, and have not even hot-patched it, nor upgraded anything, … uptime says: “08:07:28 up 2687 days, 29 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00”
(And it’s a gentoo… And I love upgrading long neglected gentoos… … though that’s maybe an order too far, that long. A couple years, fine, fun, but less than a year away from 3000 days (plus another grand or two). LOL. But still, the freedom to choose to do that… is nice.)
… Just before clicking Reply, I hear Richard Stallman’s [paraphrased(?)] words echoing around in my mind… Either the user controls the software, or the software controls the user at the behest of someone else.
The problem is how they install the fucking updates.
“OMG IT’S PATCH TUESDAY!!!11111!! NEEED TO REBOOT IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW I MUST FORCE CLOSE ALL THE OPEN APPLICATIONS WITHOUT SAVING ANY WORK, THE USER GONNA APPRECIATE THAT”
I mean it’s not really horrible it’s actually a pretty good idea for people that either a are not computer savvy or b wouldn’t normally update without being reminded to do stuff like that. Which unfortunately for people like you and I is the vast majority of people in you know the world. Actual computer users who understand and can do it on their own are very few and far between. Think about an average company of say 5,000 people and that’s a small fish company. There’s an it department of what maybe 10 to 15 if that. And in that case you may be have another 20 users maybe 30 users total that have any knowledge of computers at all. That’s a huge amount of people right there in a huge amount of computers that would never have any updates for patches and become vulnerable to everything from crashing to getting hacked. Without those automatic upd
You know I’m okay with Windows running updates I shut down or anything else like that. It’s incredibly annoying when people don’t run updates and then wonder why their system gets fucked up. It’s just like on Linux when people just absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact that they need to run updates. And many times I need to run the updates manually through the command line. There are quite a few gooey applications and things like that that will allow you to run updates but many times you still have to run them manually. And then something breaks and people wonder why I broke when they didn’t run any updates. So in the end really who gives a fuck if it’s running updates on shutdown you hit the button says run updates you tell it to run updates and you either close the lid on your laptop and walk away or you carry it till it shuts down within a few minutes and then you shut it down. Or you just let your desktop run until it’s done. It’s really not that big of a deal that people here seem to make it out to be and seem to make 10 different memes a day about the shutdown process on whatever OS they want to shut down.
For most people, especially work computer/laptop users, making the update happen by default on restart or during sleep hours does a lot to keep the pc updated, because they would otherwise never do it themselves. There is a somewhat large minority of users who complain about such behaviour, but these are mostly people into computers anyways and can update their stuff anyways.
But the biggest gripe is the horrid implementation of the start menu power buttons in windows:
Thank you for mentioning the horrible implementation of the power button options.
Update and shutdown? Nah, I don’t feel like it. I’m gonna restart five times also and then I’m boot into Windows.
But you don’t need to restart Linux for updates most of the time, basically just kernel updates, and those aren’t often done more than once a month or so, less for fixed point release distros
And even then, there’s the hot patching potential for a running kernel to upgrade without reboot.
And you don’t necessarily need to reboot Windows for all of their updates either if you keep it updated. But there’s quite a few updates I’ve run on Linux especially servers that have been neglected when I’ve gone into companies because people are like herder I don’t need to patch or update anything on linux that do require reboots.
It’s nice to have the choice.
One of my systems [that is actually in use], I’ve not run an update for near as long again as how long it’s been since I rebooted it, and have not even hot-patched it, nor upgraded anything, …
uptimesays: “08:07:28 up 2687 days, 29 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00”(And it’s a gentoo… And I love upgrading long neglected gentoos… … though that’s maybe an order too far, that long. A couple years, fine, fun, but less than a year away from 3000 days (plus another grand or two). LOL. But still, the freedom to choose to do that… is nice.)
… Just before clicking Reply, I hear Richard Stallman’s [paraphrased(?)] words echoing around in my mind… Either the user controls the software, or the software controls the user at the behest of someone else.
The problem is how they install the fucking updates.
“OMG IT’S PATCH TUESDAY!!!11111!! NEEED TO REBOOT IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW I MUST FORCE CLOSE ALL THE OPEN APPLICATIONS WITHOUT SAVING ANY WORK, THE USER GONNA APPRECIATE THAT”
I mean it’s not really horrible it’s actually a pretty good idea for people that either a are not computer savvy or b wouldn’t normally update without being reminded to do stuff like that. Which unfortunately for people like you and I is the vast majority of people in you know the world. Actual computer users who understand and can do it on their own are very few and far between. Think about an average company of say 5,000 people and that’s a small fish company. There’s an it department of what maybe 10 to 15 if that. And in that case you may be have another 20 users maybe 30 users total that have any knowledge of computers at all. That’s a huge amount of people right there in a huge amount of computers that would never have any updates for patches and become vulnerable to everything from crashing to getting hacked. Without those automatic upd