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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/49053959
Fans of Taylor Swift have been shocked after it emerged that a contractor for the controversial Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) was in attendance at her wedding.
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It appears that Steven J. Demetriou, the Executive Chair of a company called Amentum Services was also among the crowd gathered to see the happy couple say ‘I do.’
Amentum Services is currently the sole contractor for ICE’s Camp East Montana, a detention centre in El Paso.
The artist has faced swift backlash for her choice of guests, including online commenters who have shared their dismay on social media.
yes, thus the reason she’s famous. she bought her way to fame to provide the masses with her mediocre music. and if anyone tells you it ISN’T medicore, they’re lying to you and themselves.
Thank you.
Also how can anyone see that hairstyle and not think hunger game republican.
My theory is she went with bangs early in her career to hide the wrinkled forehead that she didn’t even have yet. Cheaper and more effective than botox.
I don’t listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough. People really have a difficult time separating their opinions of a person from their opinions of that person’s work.
For real. The sanctimonious bullshit of Lemmy is probably the worst part. Who cares if people like her music?
I think if you avoid the “meme” sort of communities, you’ll see less of that sort of effect. I’ve recently left most of the meme communities I was a member of, aside from very themed ones like star trek ones, and it feels more like people react much better to reason now. I was happy to see that my comment wasn’t downvoted here.
Her look, stage show, music is all the efforts of many people in a large, profitable corporation.
Every notice how female singers need to look like fashion models??
I mean, Adele tore up the scene during the 2000s-2010s and she wasn’t no fashion model. I’m sorry, but this isn’t a good argument. I could name many, many female artists who don’t fit that mold.
Adele has a god-tier voice, something that is absolutely not true of Taylor Swift.
Yes, so if the production is the product, not the singing, it makes sense to have models or actors. Just like a boy band or girl band. Some can sing, bit its not a requirement.
Unfair standards for women as usual.
People know that listening to music supports the creator, and they don’t like supporting shitty people. There’s tons of people making really good music, so you can satisfy both the desire to enjoy good music and support good people.
Thats just because you haven’t heard the 100 better musicians who’s daddy couldn’t buy them into the business.
I don’t think the existence of better musicians means other musicians are objectively bad, though. There may be hundreds of people who can write better comments than me, but that doesn’t mean my comments are bad.
I think if you heard all the objectively better stuff given the treatment it deserves, you wouldn’t have any interest in the stuff that’s being crammed down your throat. Not that it would be worse than it is today, it just wouldn’t get the money and attention and production it gets due to far better things being available on the market.
I already have no interest in Taylor Swift, though. I just have heard some of her music and I don’t think people have bad taste in music if they like it. I’m already an older man, and there’s only so much I can permit myself to become a stereotype.
Anyways, I mostly listen to Japanese music, to try to help me learn/maintain Japanese, and Japanese music I think is even more corporate than American music. If I had it in my heart to dislike corporate music, I wouldn’t have any room to dislike things like 6-7, which is far more important.
I don’t begrudge anyone their love of Taylor Swift either. I just think that it’s mostly because that’s what was fed to them rather than because of any genius she may have.
I, also an older man, don’t spend much time disliking pop culture, whether it be Talylor Swift or 6-7, neither of which matter much to me despite having a 9 year old that said it pretty constantly last year. I save most of my hate for the fascists ruining our world.
She didn’t take any one person’s place. She just jumped the queue. The others could still try and make it without money. It’s just a lot harder.
Yes they can try to be the best producer, mixer, recording engineer, mastering engineer, marketing, PR/AR, distribution, promotion, tour booking manager, in order to rise to the level of those spending millions on it.
A few actually pull that off. But for the most part those things are reserved for acts with money to spend. Stuff like almost all large venues being owned by only 1 company with deep ties to the established record and promotion companies makes it very hard to book your show there even if you had the money to do so.
The truth is that the vast majority of pop stars come from wealthy and connected families who can afford to buy them into the business or who are already established in the entertainment businesses.
Yeah, that’s about where I am with it as well. After the umpteenth time someone was like, “No! It’s genius! You haven’t given it a chance!” I listened to a handful of what they said were her top picks. And yeah, it’s not bad. In fact there’s a lot to like about it: incredibly good production, use of all the things that make a song interesting (varied tempo and use of speeds, chord changes, dynamic volume, etc) but beyond that I found it kind of meh, maybe even just a tiny bit formulaic, and they started to blend on me.
And they all sound like Taylor Swift, which is objectively NOT a bad thing for an artist to create, but compare and contrast artists and bands that evolve so much they constantly have songs and albums that don’t sound like themselves, not just over time but from one album to the next. This is my own preference and taste, and I think I got it from listening to a lot of jazz and/or jazz-inspired music created by musicians that take every limit and push it just a hair farther or in a different direction than expected.
No shade to Taylor fans at all, and I mean no disrespect. It’s NOT bad music. I’m even a tiny bit jealous they have the fan community that they do because it sounds like a lot of fun. But the music just doesn’t appeal much to me.
I’m gonna disagree with this one, at least. That is definitely not a characteristic of modern pop music and Swift’s music is no exception.
Fair enough. It’s there, but absolutely within the limits you describe, lol.
People whose only exposure to her music is the radio hits and people who were never a teenage girl are the ones complaining about her music. If you don’t get it, that’s fine. Its not for you. It’s not for me.
Lady Gaga has done the same thing yet gets a fraction of the hate. Radio bangers fund the real artist.
People whose only exposure to American for-profit concentration camps from FOX news and people who never had to a gun pointed at them because of the color of their skin are the ones defending inviting a modern day slaver to a wedding.
If you don’t get it, that’s on you.
She could be the best artist in the world but if she hangs out some of the worst human being in the world it shouldn’t matter.
Honestly, the majority of famous musicians aren’t that good of people. Shit, even Mozart and Beethoven were dicks.
Some separation of the music and the artists is needed.
Beethoven might have been unpleasant, but he wasn’t a bad person. On the contrary, he was a hell of a leftist, he hated the billionaires of his time and supported liberty and civil rights, which back then put you at the extreme left of the political scenario. I know you just pulled two names for the sake of your argument, just please keep my boy Beethoven out of your Taylor Swift apology.
To add to this: Mozart was a dick and was probably poisoned because he pissed off the wrong person. Dead at 35.
Fun fact: Mozart invented a system that used dice to randomly generate music. My unprovable pet theory is that he kept improving this system but stopped telling people about it and used it to compose all of his greatest hits.
People also love to hate famous people just because they’re famous. Which is stupid and a waste of energy.
or hate her because she invited a Fascist to her wedding? Some celebs did not RSVP.
Yes, hate her for that.
I have no idea what celebs RSVPing has to do with anything?
Some people made an ethical decision not to attend this event.
Let’s get real, 0% chance of this lasting 5 years.
For a celeb, or anyone, to not attend a wedding for whatever reason is perfectly fine.
But not to RSVP is rude and selfish.
You would do better to RSVP with “I would rather be eaten by fire ants than attend your shitty wedding, and I hope your bride chokes on the cake and vomits all over you.”
Hating anybody is stupid and a waste because hating them doesn’t really affect them. It only hurts you. That doesn’t stop me from hating certain famous people, though. What can I say? I guess I’m stupid.
This is exactly why people hate Keanu Reeves and Tom Hanks and Dolly Parton so much!
Although I am sure that I have heard them in passing, I have never knowing listened to a Taylor Swift song.
Almost all of my exposure to recent pop music is either from late-night grocery shopping or from the swim club a block from my house that has a DJ three or four nights a week during the summer. Unfortunately that’s enough for all of it. I can even sing along to fucking Imagine Dragons.
I agree she got where she is in no small part due to her family’s wealth. But her staying power is because—to many myself included—she’s a decent songwriter. You can hate her music, perfectly valid, but I disagree with calling her music “mediocre” as though it’s some objective fact.
Like, I fucking hate the Beatles, not my taste, but Paul McCartney and John Lennon were undeniably talented.
It sucks, but sometimes the rich and famous do have some talents that many enjoy. I think she’s one to a certain extent.
Everyone has talents many people could enjoy.
Only the rich have the ability to develop those talents without having to worry about everything else. This allows even the mediocre to become passable.
Her early attempts to write songs by herself were her least commercially-successful albums. Her songs are good (if you like that sort of thing) because they’re written by a large agglomeration of professional songwriters.