Did Team USA ask Trump for this? Or did he just do it? It was a horrible look. I wanted so bad to support our team, but Trump ruined it, like he’s ruined everything else
Yeah, I actually went to the red card match, bought a USA soccer shirt, was super into the world cup. When Trump pulled his bullshit, I actually bet and rooted against the US. Man is the antimidas. Everything he touches turns to shit.
So FIFA supporting literal slavery and it’s decades of overt corruption was fine for you to go spend a much of money on tickets and merchandise, enabling and supporting said slavery and corruption…
But trump is a whiny little bitch (when isn’t he?) and now things have gone too far for you.
Nope, but direct moralizing and public shaming doesn’t work well to change behavior when you’re doing it to an anonymous person (it’s still not great irl, but at least there’s accountability involved).
How many vegans do you know who went vegan after someone online said “so rape’s okay when the victim’s a cow?” (I just used that as a comparison because it’s a philosophy predicated upon changing personal consumption to fit morals, to be clear. Also, I looked, but there’s not yet a great comprehensive study on what exactly made people go vegan yet, but they’re collecting data now, if anyone wants to participate.)
it does not matter, he did it and tarnished the USA team… if the team did not play the carded player they could have saved face but they chose to play him fully
I wanted so bad to support our team, but Trump ruined it, like he’s ruined everything else
Agreed… I was cheering for them for being the host and underdogs, but tonight I was happy to see them defeated with ease
From what I have found Trump seems to have done it on his own. Balogun had accepted his red card about as gracefully as anyone, even shaking hands with the ref after the match. And the US team had said they would not challenge the call. It looks like everyone was going to just get on with life and move forward.
That’s the annoying part of this. Like, even if you’re a fan of the USA, if they actually win, it’s going to always be a story about Trump.
Also, in defense of the US team, this is absolutely something Trump would just do on his own because he can. But, you’re right, no one sees it that way.
This is a guy that put his name next to JFK on a building. He wants to make everything about himself. Knick’s game is another example. He’s so narcissistic that he doesn’t even care how bad this looks the the US team.
He just thinks it makes him look powerful, and, quite honestly, it does. FIFA is who people should be upset with here. You can be upset Trump called. But, holy shit, you should be more upset FIFA just did what they were told.
The USA team could have saved face and not play Balogun but they did… and no, it does not make trump look powerful because everyone knows fifa is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world
If anyone had hopes for the USA team because they are hosts or because they are underdors or whatever, that’s over… now it’s just trump’s bitch team
Yes but can you imagine Trump’s reaction if they didn’t play Balogun and then lost? He’d whine about it forever. This way he championed a birthright citizen and thankfully Belgium won, saving both teams the acrimony of preceived cheaters winning.
I agree with most of that. But, I’m sorry to be the one to inform you: Corruption is a form of power. The leaders of most other countries aren’t getting the same privilege as the leader of the US and host nation would. If you don’t acknowledge corruption as a form of power then you’re really missing the problem with corruption in the first place.
I will never understand why people think there is importance in how they decide to define things in their heads moreso than how they have an impact on the material world. Why should I care how correctly acknowledging that Trump has “power” makes you feel?
Power is not just an idea. It has actual impact on whether you acknowledge it or decide it should be seen as “power” in idealism. You calling something “powerful” isn’t giving it power. The economic, military, and social connections give power.
The leader of the US will have this power whether or not you celebrate it. And I never said to celebrate it. I’m not celebrating it. I said to acknowledge it.
You seem to think you’re in a movie and bending the knee or something. It’s not. It’s pointing to the problem.
In my opinion. Calling it “trash” is just you giving a comforting but useless response. Yeah, we all dislike it. I would hope we all hate white supremacy. But pretending white supremacy doesn’t have “power” in our world would be delusional.
I will never understand why people think there is importance in how they decide to define things in their heads moreso than how they have an impact on the material world.
Let’s explore…
In my world, I see a 30 year old bastard kick a child and I would react in bile condeming this behaviour
In your world, you’d be fawning over the bastard exclaming how powerful he is
No, that’s where you’re missing the point. In my world I acknowledge that adults are strong and have power over children. I want to live in a world where that power is checked and acknowledge that children need protection from abuse.
You understand this fundamentally with the child being hit by an adult. You react in a condemning way because you understand this power difference. I would react in the same way as you and physically intervene to protect the child.
You would also have a different reaction if you saw one adult hit another adult. You may first see this as someone starting violence; but will not react so quickly to protect the other adult as you will look at the other differences in power. Are they both the same size? Are they both the same gender? What happened before the violence started? All of these have power dynamics. But you already understand these power structures and likely don’t even think about them. But, that’s what I’m actually trying to explain to you with Trump.
You don’t have to pretend I’m some evil person fawning over an adult hitting a child. We are disagreeing because you have an emotional attachment to the word “power” and I am using it for its material meaning to define societal structures.
You’re giving away your bias and emotional definition here; having to pretend that acknowledging power structures means I am “fawning” over that power. I am not and have never once said something that should make you believe so.
You are for some reason arguing that the abusive adult is “not powerful” though? At least if I infer that from the conversation about Trump. That they are only defined by your judgement of them as “trash” or how the abuse makes you feel; and you should actively deny their power as if it somehow “takes it away” from them by not acknowledging it. But this is what I’m inferring from what you’ve said so far. Feel free to clarify.
Power has material attributes. Adults have power over children. Leaders of a state have power over the people of that state. Power is when Trump can command a military to bomb Iran. He has power. It is not being checked. It is not good. Acknowledging power does not give it lower. Acknowledging that that power exists and is being abused is the first step in recognizing it needs to be stopped.
In my world, I see a 30 year old bastard kick a child and I would react in bile condeming this behaviour
If all you do is condemn him then you’re not making the world any better either.
They aren’t “fawning” they are explaining the situation using accurate language. Trump is powerful because he can do all this corrupt shit and nothing happens to him for it. We had an entire presidency after he attempted to start an insurrection and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. People love to talk shit about Trump but that isn’t changing anything in reality.
Glad someone can understand. I could tell they were losing the plot when they had to pretend I would enjoy a child being beaten.
It’s so odd how people are so ingrained with the idea that the power structures they grew up with must be moral and good that they can’t even acknowledge when someone in a position of power is powerful.
It’s treating power as some moral reward like they think Superman is powerful because he’s good or something.
One guy got a red card and was basically kicked out of the event, and Trump called the FIFA guy and got him reinstated, then he bragged about doing it like it was a positive.
A US player got a red card (meaning kicked out of the game and suspended from playing the following game). Trump called the FIFA president (title? Idk) and suddenly he’s allowed to play in the next game.
All this drama and the US still loses 1-4 in the next game. Basically the best outcome at least. The bad taste of Trump influencing FIFA is at least gone. But still pretty fucked FIFA just bowed down to a phone call.
I love an underdog story so much. Honestly, I’ve been barely paying attention, but they really caught my attention and it was so much fucking fun to root for them. Even losing, it’s like an 80s movie moral victory thing and it’s amazing.
Honestly that’s the sweetest part of it. They run to mommy, gets reinstated like it’ll mean something and then promptly get their asses handed to them. And there’s no room to complain “well we didn’t have X player because of Y”.
They were all there, you had your full team, you still got owned.
we had quite a few soccer player aspiring to play in europe as thier career while in college, i wonder if most of these people can join european leagues, over usa teams.
and the USA soccer team will be forever known as a whiny bitch that had to run to mommy for a chance to play
Did Team USA ask Trump for this? Or did he just do it? It was a horrible look. I wanted so bad to support our team, but Trump ruined it, like he’s ruined everything else
Yeah, I actually went to the red card match, bought a USA soccer shirt, was super into the world cup. When Trump pulled his bullshit, I actually bet and rooted against the US. Man is the antimidas. Everything he touches turns to shit.
Merdeas touch.
So FIFA supporting literal slavery and it’s decades of overt corruption was fine for you to go spend a much of money on tickets and merchandise, enabling and supporting said slavery and corruption…
But trump is a whiny little bitch (when isn’t he?) and now things have gone too far for you.
Nobody likes FIFA, everyone likes the world cup. I don’t make the rules.
As long as the rich get richer who cares right? Watch men chase the ball, its a good circus.
Please let people scrape some enjoyment out of the constant barrage of awful things happening.
So contributing to the problem is ok as long as its fun. Got it.
Nope, but direct moralizing and public shaming doesn’t work well to change behavior when you’re doing it to an anonymous person (it’s still not great irl, but at least there’s accountability involved).
How many vegans do you know who went vegan after someone online said “so rape’s okay when the victim’s a cow?” (I just used that as a comparison because it’s a philosophy predicated upon changing personal consumption to fit morals, to be clear. Also, I looked, but there’s not yet a great comprehensive study on what exactly made people go vegan yet, but they’re collecting data now, if anyone wants to participate.)
it does not matter, he did it and tarnished the USA team… if the team did not play the carded player they could have saved face but they chose to play him fully
Agreed… I was cheering for them for being the host and underdogs, but tonight I was happy to see them defeated with ease
From what I have found Trump seems to have done it on his own. Balogun had accepted his red card about as gracefully as anyone, even shaking hands with the ref after the match. And the US team had said they would not challenge the call. It looks like everyone was going to just get on with life and move forward.
That’s the annoying part of this. Like, even if you’re a fan of the USA, if they actually win, it’s going to always be a story about Trump.
Also, in defense of the US team, this is absolutely something Trump would just do on his own because he can. But, you’re right, no one sees it that way.
This is a guy that put his name next to JFK on a building. He wants to make everything about himself. Knick’s game is another example. He’s so narcissistic that he doesn’t even care how bad this looks the the US team.
He just thinks it makes him look powerful, and, quite honestly, it does. FIFA is who people should be upset with here. You can be upset Trump called. But, holy shit, you should be more upset FIFA just did what they were told.
The USA team could have saved face and not play Balogun but they did… and no, it does not make trump look powerful because everyone knows fifa is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world
If anyone had hopes for the USA team because they are hosts or because they are underdors or whatever, that’s over… now it’s just trump’s bitch team
Yes but can you imagine Trump’s reaction if they didn’t play Balogun and then lost? He’d whine about it forever. This way he championed a birthright citizen and thankfully Belgium won, saving both teams the acrimony of preceived cheaters winning.
oh no! jebus forbids anything upsets the orange pedophile turd
The 1 thing he does best
I agree with most of that. But, I’m sorry to be the one to inform you: Corruption is a form of power. The leaders of most other countries aren’t getting the same privilege as the leader of the US and host nation would. If you don’t acknowledge corruption as a form of power then you’re really missing the problem with corruption in the first place.
I know this but refuse to celebrate it… therefore in my book, corruption is just trash
They probably would, they are just not petty or stupid enough to bother asking… or they would have worked it discretely
Already addressed it
I will never understand why people think there is importance in how they decide to define things in their heads moreso than how they have an impact on the material world. Why should I care how correctly acknowledging that Trump has “power” makes you feel?
Power is not just an idea. It has actual impact on whether you acknowledge it or decide it should be seen as “power” in idealism. You calling something “powerful” isn’t giving it power. The economic, military, and social connections give power.
The leader of the US will have this power whether or not you celebrate it. And I never said to celebrate it. I’m not celebrating it. I said to acknowledge it.
You seem to think you’re in a movie and bending the knee or something. It’s not. It’s pointing to the problem.
In my opinion. Calling it “trash” is just you giving a comforting but useless response. Yeah, we all dislike it. I would hope we all hate white supremacy. But pretending white supremacy doesn’t have “power” in our world would be delusional.
Let’s explore…
In my world, I see a 30 year old bastard kick a child and I would react in bile condeming this behaviour
In your world, you’d be fawning over the bastard exclaming how powerful he is
Your world sucks, mine has hope for a future
No, that’s where you’re missing the point. In my world I acknowledge that adults are strong and have power over children. I want to live in a world where that power is checked and acknowledge that children need protection from abuse.
You understand this fundamentally with the child being hit by an adult. You react in a condemning way because you understand this power difference. I would react in the same way as you and physically intervene to protect the child.
You would also have a different reaction if you saw one adult hit another adult. You may first see this as someone starting violence; but will not react so quickly to protect the other adult as you will look at the other differences in power. Are they both the same size? Are they both the same gender? What happened before the violence started? All of these have power dynamics. But you already understand these power structures and likely don’t even think about them. But, that’s what I’m actually trying to explain to you with Trump.
You don’t have to pretend I’m some evil person fawning over an adult hitting a child. We are disagreeing because you have an emotional attachment to the word “power” and I am using it for its material meaning to define societal structures.
You’re giving away your bias and emotional definition here; having to pretend that acknowledging power structures means I am “fawning” over that power. I am not and have never once said something that should make you believe so.
You are for some reason arguing that the abusive adult is “not powerful” though? At least if I infer that from the conversation about Trump. That they are only defined by your judgement of them as “trash” or how the abuse makes you feel; and you should actively deny their power as if it somehow “takes it away” from them by not acknowledging it. But this is what I’m inferring from what you’ve said so far. Feel free to clarify.
Power has material attributes. Adults have power over children. Leaders of a state have power over the people of that state. Power is when Trump can command a military to bomb Iran. He has power. It is not being checked. It is not good. Acknowledging power does not give it lower. Acknowledging that that power exists and is being abused is the first step in recognizing it needs to be stopped.
If all you do is condemn him then you’re not making the world any better either.
They aren’t “fawning” they are explaining the situation using accurate language. Trump is powerful because he can do all this corrupt shit and nothing happens to him for it. We had an entire presidency after he attempted to start an insurrection and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. People love to talk shit about Trump but that isn’t changing anything in reality.
Glad someone can understand. I could tell they were losing the plot when they had to pretend I would enjoy a child being beaten.
It’s so odd how people are so ingrained with the idea that the power structures they grew up with must be moral and good that they can’t even acknowledge when someone in a position of power is powerful.
It’s treating power as some moral reward like they think Superman is powerful because he’s good or something.
who says that’s all I would do? what am I, American?
all you guys with your strawmen are always so boring
I’d say calling the orange pedophile “impressive” qualifies as fawning
I’m gonna be so happy when they lose, hope it will be Belgium, otherwise it will be Spain. Even with cheating they can never win both matches.
Edit: just learned US lost 4 - 1, can confirm i am really really happy about it.
i had, again, forgotten all about the world cup. i am also pleased to hear that they got soundly beat.
lord dipshit branded the team–now they’re losers, too.
Not “next to”… “above”.
I’m a bit out of the loop. What shit did FIFA and Trump do? Got the US team to play?
One guy got a red card and was basically kicked out of the event, and Trump called the FIFA guy and got him reinstated, then he bragged about doing it like it was a positive.
Sounds about right on the nose for Trump and fifa
A US player got a red card (meaning kicked out of the game and suspended from playing the following game). Trump called the FIFA president (title? Idk) and suddenly he’s allowed to play in the next game.
All this drama and the US still loses 1-4 in the next game. Basically the best outcome at least. The bad taste of Trump influencing FIFA is at least gone. But still pretty fucked FIFA just bowed down to a phone call.
You mean the same FIFA who inverted a peace price just to suck up to agent 47? Hardly surprising at least
What a bunch of bitches. Wow.
Yeah, as a (maga despising) American who’s just beginning to get into soccer, this one… This one stings.
But fucking Cabo Verde! Damn that was something
how could you not cheer for such an underdog to make the reigning champs sweat bullets??!!!
it was doubly sweet because Argentinians can always eat a bit of humble pie
I love an underdog story so much. Honestly, I’ve been barely paying attention, but they really caught my attention and it was so much fucking fun to root for them. Even losing, it’s like an 80s movie moral victory thing and it’s amazing.
And still lost
Honestly that’s the sweetest part of it. They run to mommy, gets reinstated like it’ll mean something and then promptly get their asses handed to them. And there’s no room to complain “well we didn’t have X player because of Y”.
They were all there, you had your full team, you still got owned.
I’d like to think that Eric Trump lost a lot of money betting on the game.
we had quite a few soccer player aspiring to play in europe as thier career while in college, i wonder if most of these people can join european leagues, over usa teams.