• Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    22·
    17 hours ago

    I’d much rather be sitting in a cuck chair directing a robot to fuck somebody I have no interest in fucking myself.

  • SpaghettiMaster@feddit.uk
    4·
    1 day ago

    I just use DDG image search. Started drawing a bit recently and use online images as a starting point sometimes.

    Planning on carving a board game on a wooden board, same rules as the game of Ur but possibly going with a different theme for decorating the board. Anglo-Saxon runes, axes and round shields. Been drawing them on paper as a planning stage and to practice as I would draw the outline on wood before carving it.

  • 𝕲𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍🔻𝕯𝖃 (he/him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
    233·
    2 days ago

    Gonna copy pasta one of my previous comments because it’s relevant again:

    I’m going to argue that how you use the lying machine determines if it’s slop, not if you use it.

    “Generate a character profile for Alexander the blacksmith.” Slop.

    “Ask me questions about Alexander the blacksmith so I can further develop his character.” Not slop.

    “Summarize everything I explained about Alexander the blacksmith in the format of a wiki article.” Could be slop, might not be, depends on how diligent you were about not letting the lying machine have creative control. Needs to be reviewed for accuracy of course.

    And for the record, I was a DM for years before generative ai was a thing. Running a campaign is ton of work, even with shortcuts. Don’t insult your DM like this.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 day ago

      I’m going to argue that how you use the lying machine determines if it’s slop, not if you use it

      Which is ironic of Lemmy to agree with OP because it is also here in Lemmy, where i learned about making the correct prompt to get the best out of AI!

  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
    291·
    2 days ago

    There should be a way to acknowledge two things being true at the same time, but that way was never discovered on Lemmy.

    “AI is mostly bad” and “AI can be useful at times” are both true statements. You sacrifice nothing by acknowledging both, and thinking you have to pick between the two is, ironically, mentally lazy af.

    • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
      5·
      1 day ago

      Most people agree that there are legitimate applications for LLM technology, like in the medical field. This comes up every single thread.

      Then you have trillions of dollars of investment on the promise of eroding worker power, and letting capital enunciate itself without labour. That’s what it’s essentially all for.

      The “legitimate” uses of the technology are not even a passing concern for investors except insofar as they can point to it to excuse their grift.

        • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
          3·
          1 day ago

          Like medical research, discovering drugs, folding proteins. There’s also evidence they can be used to help analyse x-rays.

            • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
              2·
              21 hours ago

              Rightrightright, I mean they can help with that stuff by churning though large sets of data or by statistical analysis to look for early signs of cancer, etc.

              I’m not a researcher and I don’t use them myself, but I know a thing or two about how LLMs work. Could be you could school me though if you know a lot.

              • Homosexual sapiens@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                21·
                20 hours ago

                I’m just saying the models used in medical imaging and protein folding, to use your examples, are not LLMs, but very different dedicated medical imaging models or protein folding models. Still falls under the overarching umbrella of AI/ML, but not really any more relevant to language models. LLMs also aren’t a very relevant tool for big data or statistical analysis. Even with an agent harness, they could be used to write scripts that a human could also write, but couldn’t directly do any sort of reliable statistical analysis.

                • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
                  21·
                  20 hours ago

                  Oh OK I wasn’t aware of that. Actually I wondered as I was writing my comment how an LLM would compare to more tightly fitted model.

                  Well there goes my one example. Is there anything they’re legitimately good for? I’ll admit they seem good at finding “fuzzy” connections, and their text and image generation capabilities are impressive even if they aren’t my cup of tea—mostly because of the externalities.

      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 day ago

        You say most people believe this, but I see many people every day for weeks now claiming Linux is vibecoded now. Why? Three stories: 1) months ago LLM use was not outright banned in kernel development 2) Linus admitted to using LLMs in an experimental branch to find and patch bugs 3) a recent shift in attitude happened, toward LLM-driven PRs because there were too many, and the reaction from Linus and the other maintainers was to raise the bar for submitting PRs to reduce the chance of slop wasting people’s time.

        All of this was a series of level headed responses and course corrections which at no time was indicative of anything more than LLMs are useful sometimes. Yet people all over Lemmy are saying shit like “Linux is all in on vibecoding”. Besides that issue, I’ve seen and been involved in many conversations where idiots will say that any use of AI is super unethical and unacceptable. The binary thinking on this issue is strong on here.

        • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
          21·
          1 day ago

          Ah well I agree I would Linux love maintainers to take a more principled stance against LLM contributions given all the negative externalities of the technology as it exists today.

          there’s a strong case to be made that there is no way to use the current “frontier” models ethically because of how they were trained and who their patrons are. I would love to see that acknowledged.

          • Apytele@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            12 hours ago

            By that logic most media consumption is unethical. Almost anything out of a major studio is made with the abuse of, underpayment of, and often even outright theft from small artists. I think a much better solution than not using them is to take all the money they made from it and redistribute it as universal basic income, then make the models 100% free to use. Cat’s outta the bag, at this point I just wanna see the little guy get paid.

            • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              3 hours ago

              By that logic most media consumption is unethical. Almost anything out of a major studio is made with the abuse of, underpayment of, and often even outright theft from small artists.

              Now we’re on the same track. My goal is if we can’t solve these problems entirely, at the least not contribute to the further exploitation and enclosure of our commons.

              This is one of the reasons I think copyright is a dead end — it’s a tool of the enemy.

            • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
              22·
              23 hours ago

              What makes you think that? I am on no side. I’m just trying to be objective. Everything I said is factually borne out afaik.

              Also

              you are on the side of

              binary thinking

              Lol now you’re just playing with me, very funny ;p

              • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
                22·
                23 hours ago

                You thought you were being subtle but if your response to an extremist viewpoint is “yes they make a good point” you’re not getting it but you do seem to want to definitely take a side.

                “I’m just being objective but your point isn’t worth addressing while the thought process you take issue with is totally valid”

                • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
                  21·
                  21 hours ago

                  I’m not trying to be subtle, I’m trying to be open. Clearly we’ve each got our opinions and I think I’ve been very upfront with mine. You’re right I don’t think being against this technology qualifies as an “extremist” position anymore then being against cloud computing or Nvidia are extreme takes.

                  Anyway you didn’t even try me. I’m elsewhere in this thread talking about the legitimate uses for LLMs. Not everything is as black vs white, clanker vs luddite, as you’re making it.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      51·
      1 day ago

      “Asbestos is extremely toxic” and “asbestos can be useful and irreplacable at times” are both true. So are “lead is poisonous” and “tetraetillead is an effective anti-knocking agent, lead in solder stops tin whiskers from forming, and lead paint is pretty”.

      Also that’s how racism got normalized again, after getting closer to putting it back into the cemetery of history. And so is every LGBTQ±phobia you can name. Or even better: the tobacco industry, the alcohol industry, and the gambling industry all promote “responsible use” of their products.

      • mika_mika@lemmy.world
        12·
        17 hours ago

        I think LLM is more like weed though, if we are making an apt metaphor.

        MJ is useful in many ways, has medically recognized therapeutic benefits, is fun recreationally. But, it is unadvised to habitually use it all day, and can be harmful if you do.

        For both LLMs and marijuana it’s not the use of it that is bad, because there are positives, it’s the over use and abuse of it.

    • dumnezero@piefed.socialEnglish
      73·
      1 day ago

      Because utilitarians are amoral. In fact, the AI ethics “intellectuals” are usually utilitarians, as seen with “Longtermism” and “Effective Altruism.”

      You need to realize that your stance is not going to be enough.

      • Seralth@piefed.seralth.comEnglish
        62·
        1 day ago

        But utilitarianism is a moral system. How can it be amoral…? Its by definition a moral system. You could put fort the argument that it can sometimes reach immoral conclusions, but calling it amoral is just… mixing things up at best and being disingenuous at worse.

    • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world
      113·
      2 days ago

      Using it as a tool to speed up your own work is completely different from passing off its work as yours or using it to do someone else’s work

    • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
      41·
      2 days ago

      Are you seriously considering people on the internet should start acknowledging nuance? Smh.

      I just want to be angry and right - and personally insult you; even though I know nothing about you outside of a sentence or two that I just read.

      • Seralth@piefed.seralth.comEnglish
        21·
        1 day ago

        I know right? Get a load of that guy. Nuance. psh, shaw. This is the internet! We only do extremes and horny posting round these parts!

  • MasutaHarada@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    61·
    1 day ago

    Letting insinuate the initiative is on robot? but in reality, you need to order or command it to brainstorm right? not to mention answering back for clarity and feedback. Opposite of cuck who have no choice in that matter ?

    • RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
      3·
      18 hours ago

      OK so it’s like you’re chilling in the cuck chair but every once in a while you make a suggestion to the bull on how to plow your wife.

      Honestly that’s even worse. It’s just kind of sad. You might be able to retain some dignity by sitting in the cuck chair looking indignant but this is being an active participant in your own obsolescence.

  • kn33@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4019·
    2 days ago

    Okay but have you considered I don’t care how I get my job done as long as the paycheck keeps coming.

    • Bloo (they/them)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      605·
      2 days ago

      Okay but have you considered the brain is a muscle that needs exercise to stay healthy and functional and offloading “thinking” makes your brain weaker?

      • lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world
        357·
        2 days ago

        Okay but have you considered I only apply my brain to fun and exciting problems, and the ones at work get the clanker?

      • AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        194·
        2 days ago

        have you considered the brain is a muscle

        Kinda undermines your point when you start with a completely untrue statement.

        • BooBees@fedinsfw.appEnglish
          9·
          2 days ago

          Yeah, why would I train my brain repeatedly, for the majority of my life to ponder on and create almost exclusively on corporate bullshit that enriches other people? I’m thinking the bare minimum at work and getting my brain work maximized on my days and hours off. I’m not conditioning that fucker to be an office drone, I’m conditioning it to be a fireman astronaut inventor artist dog walker like 5 year old me wanted.

      • zarathustrad@lemmy.world
        113·
        2 days ago

        Do you tell yourself that as you get out your compass and paper maps on the way to a new city.

        Land navigation is an important skill. You wouldn’t let such an important skill atrophy would you?

        • pahlimur@lemmy.world
          8·
          2 days ago

          Honestly, navigation is an insanely satisfying skill to work on. Navigation without GPS fills an instinctual bucket that makes no sense to me. Letting it atrophy is a big failure in becoming a functioning adult imo.

          • zarathustrad@lemmy.world
            41·
            2 days ago

            I actually agree, I just feel it’s the same hyperbolic argument every time a new technology makes something else (situationally) obsolete.

            Knowing how live off the land was once common. It can still be useful. It is even fun for some (to learn, if not do). Yet… Here we are with a vast majority of our population devoid of those skills. It will keep happening.

            This is complicated by the fact that to gain advantage (or just maintain relevance) in a complex and changing society, you need to be learning the new skills that leverage new technology. Yet systems become more complex, specialized roles are needed, and we simply can’t learn it all.

            Enter the database of all information and a technology capable of quickly searching and extracting information with relevant context. Learn to use it to your advantage, or don’t…

            • pahlimur@lemmy.world
              41·
              2 days ago

              I think its more, roles that didn’t need specialty skills are being removed by a very dumb tool that dumb people think is amazing. It seems amazing if you dont understand the thing you are asking it to do.

              Living off the land is a great example. I grow ~10% of my food in a large garden, mostly tomatos, apples, pears, and peppers. Most people dont know how hard and specialized it is to do this. When we lost power for a week 2 years ago, we were totally fine. Provided food to our neighbors, no issues. Because of our time spent learning how to grow and preserve food.

              I’d argue allowing the offloading of the simple specializations AI can handle makes an overall more useless person.

              • zarathustrad@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 days ago

                I have a small garden, know how to grow crops, and grow hydroponics as a hobby (I have off grid solar, battery back up, and could upscale operation if needed).

                So I do get where you’re coming from.

                I also have an offline information repository and off line local LLM that could help someone (with less skills than me) maintain/upscale or build a similar system, as well as provide many other skill sets I don’t have or am less competent in.

                So the technology is useful to those who know how to use it.

                (I have a strong science and medical skill set, and a hobby level skill set for network/computer science, electrical work, and gardening… So ymmv. Point being, I use all tools and skills available, and if something happens to me, the LLM is better than nothing for those that don’t, and can greatly accelerate learning new skills if used correctly, even a relatively stupid open weights model is like a super search engine that can translate language (and tech speak to normy).

                • pahlimur@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  2 days ago

                  It’s one of those things I know is hard to explain. Similar to the covid pandemic, I kept saying “I want to read the papers 10 years in the future”. I want to know what happens after the hype and actual science of the impact something has becomes available.

                  I’m extremely skeptical that a tool that offloads basic critical thought and brainstorming will be good for society as a whole. I use it sparingly, but it usually wastes my time. Except for summarizing things it is good at that.

                  I think it will collapse into normalcy in a few years, and it will be moderately useful. The stealing it does is also a major problem.

                  As a strange example, I asked Gemini a question similar to my published thesis. It stole directly from my these with no attributions.

      • Saapas@piefed.zipEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        I say this about anything with a motor in it. My muscles are muscles that need exercise to stay healthy and functional, offloading “work” makes my gainz weaker.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
        54·
        2 days ago

        The brain is a muscle… really? I wonder where you heard that. Probably a person. Maybe you should fact check that with AI next time.

        Noone says that asking a person a question is offloading their thinking. But if you ask AI it is? How does that work?

        • Seralth@piefed.seralth.comEnglish
          11·
          1 day ago

          Uhh… there is an entire sterotype of the sort of people that offload their thinking to others and have been made fun of for it for god… most of history?

          The yes-man, lemming, weathervane, sheep, npc, doormat. The list goes on and on. Its been called a load of crap though the ages. But never thinking and just doing what your told or offloading your entire thinking load to others. IS VERY much a thing. LONG before ai.

          • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
            3·
            1 day ago

            You seem to be confused. Yes-men were often rather smart. They said yes in a ploy to get what they wanted, like a promotion and higher pay.

            Lemmings, sheep and such weren’t necessarily not thinking, they are drawn to being part of a social group and follow it for a sense of belonging. They often spend a lot of time thinking about how to stay part of the group.

            Doormats are people who avoid confrontation, and again, they think about it a lot, but find themselves unable to stand up to it.

            There are of course people who just have low IQ. But I assume you aren’t belittling them for using AI to help them do what they can’t.

      • corvi@piefed.socialEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        This is something I’m currently struggling with at a new job. The product they’ve crafted is fundamentally linked to AI, insomuch as I literally can’t get the data without prompting.

        I’m doing my best to “do difficult things” outside of work to compensate, and I can only hope that’s enough

        • mrmacduggan@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5·
          2 days ago

          I recommend getting into Cryptic Crosswords. They give me my cogitation fix. The Youtube channel Cracking The Cryptic has a great masterclass series to get into them, and Minute Cryptic is a good way to dip your toe into the hobby.

          • corvi@piefed.socialEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            It’s funny you say that. It was while doing a regular crossword that just for a millisecond I thought to myself, “Hey I bet Claude could answer that”, that I felt such disgust.

            • mrmacduggan@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1·
              3 hours ago

              The crosswords are tough for a stock LLM to crack without invoking tool calls since they can hardly spell due to their tokenized inputs. But with tool calls, they’re getting pretty good at it.

      • sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works
        78·
        2 days ago

        Of course, that’s why I sum my spreadsheets by hand with pen and paper and then enter the total back into the sheet

        • starchylemming@lemmy.world
          12·
          2 days ago

          You jest but I’ve seen people do this because they didn’t want to use their brain to discover the most basic functions of excel

        • Refract@lemmy.ca
          101·
          2 days ago

          Using software versus typing in “do the whole thing for me” has some differences, maybe a little nuance is an important thing here. Maybe…

    • dumnezero@piefed.socialEnglish
      51·
      1 day ago

      as the paycheck keeps coming.

      How are you not comprehending yet that the reason investors are investing in those datacenters and models is because the shared business goal is to eliminate jobs for humans (so they can get all the profit of the business)??