Only 39% of people in poll said that the science on vaccines ‘is clear and it is damaging to question it’
Nearly half of Americans are somewhat skeptical of vaccines, a new poll has found.
Some 46% of U.S. adults who responded to a Public First poll by Politico in March agreed that “facts on vaccines are still up for debate and it is damaging to enforce their uptake.”
In contrast, only 39% said that the science on vaccines “is clear and it is damaging to question it.”
The results of the survey are in line with the views of Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a longtime vaccine skeptic and founder of the Republican “Make America Healthy Again” movement.
If you think education is expensive, wait till you see how much ignorance will cost us.
Especially the rest of the world. No one cares what they do over there.
I know this sounds crazy but we’ve always been almost entirely composed of not quite fully human robotic childlike ignoramuses propped up by like one in ten thousand “real people.”
There’s a reason the old timers pushed education so hard
Apparently, an extra 2 dollars at the gas pump in some places.
Along with an arbitrary 0-infinite dipshit tax on all imported goods.
Nearly half of Americans could be outsmarted by a rock as well.
Must be a coincidence.
is damaging to question it
Then it’s religion, not science.
Sorry - ALL medicine should be questioned, heavily today. We have dangerous meds put on the market all the time.
Anyone remember Vioxx? FDA said it was “safe and effective” and then it killed people?
FDA also said phen-fen was safe and effective, then it killed people.
Ozempic is a current one that is “suprisingly” showing dangerous side effects.
I could probably come up with a dozen more with trivial research.
My doc prescribed two meds simultaneously that are clearly labelled as bad to combine, one was contraindicated for me specifically due to other conditions (which he denied despite the studies, and documentation from the manufacturer being very clear).
We need to stop treating medicine (and doctors) with religious reverence.
ALL medicine should be questioned, heavily today. We have dangerous meds put on the market all the time.
Sure but…
Anyone remember Vioxx? … phen-fen … Ozempic
None of which are vaccines. The poll was asking about"the science on vaccines" which is very well established, and those questioning it do so out of either ignorance or a “hidden” agenda (usually to sell a hand wavey book or get subscriptions to their “healthy mom something or other” YouTube channel).
The people with the actual credentials to be qualified to question vaccine science aren’t questioning it, because there’s nothing there to question.
Another way of putting it:I trust Science, but I do not trust that the for-profit pharmaceutical industries have the best interests of public health as their priority. In fact, their managers have fiduciary duty to their shareholders to increase value.
I trust vaccines in general, but its hard to trust these companies. Insulin is another great example- the inventor sold the patent for $1 purposefully to make it affordable for everyone, and in almost every country in the world it is cheap and abundant. In the US, these pharmaceutical companies hiked the prices up to hundreds of dollars per month until the Inflation Reduction Act set price caps starting in 2023 (as an aside: another perfect example KF how dumb people who claim BoThSiDeS are the same in US politics are)
Or look at the opiod crisis. Look at the banning and continued restriction of cannabis.
Obviously you’re correct in a vacuum, but this isn’t a vacuum. There’s a context of that question that you’re seemingly ignoring for some reason. Nobody answering this question is saying vaccine should be questioned in a rigorous scientific context. That’s not what the questions asking that’s not what the answers are telling. They’re saying it should be questioned by people selling you vials of silver on their podcast. They’re saying it should be questioned by influencers. They’re saying it should be questioned by whack jobs. They’re saying it should be questioned by people with brainworms.
Because it was already questioned by scientists. That’s called the scientific method. Peer review is already a part of our scientific process. So let’s not pretend like that’s not the context of the question and the answers. We should all be smart enough to realize that.
Saw an Anime last year that was ok, but the subject was great. They created a drug that was so amazing it cured a lot of things and over the years of people having it they estimated it was taken by a huge percentage of the world by that point. Then they found out that it did have side effects and effected 100% of people that took it leading to death. I figured the plot was kind of taken from our current system of clinical trials where some drugs may be approved but you still dont know long term what may happen fully.
You really can’t get away from that. The alternative is that you test your new drug for 50 years before selling it to see if there are any bad long term effects. What we currently do is test for a shorter time, if everything looks good you can start selling it. However, the drug company and FDA do post market surveillance to find things like your examples.
Politico’s survey noted a clear split along partisan lines, with six in 10 Republicans favoring administering fewer vaccines, compared with just three in 10 Democrats.
In case we needed more evidence that Republicans are stupider.
Here’s a take: the big platforms like Google and Facebook have blood on their hands for allowing anti-vax stuff to proliferate on their private platforms. They should pay for the damages.
Vaccines in general I have no skepticism. Information from the us federal government about them now a days. Grain of salt.
And half of Americans have an IQ less than 100. The math maths.
Every country has morons, yet ours appear to be a special kind of moron
whenever the US finally burns down and is replaced by something hopefully more enlightened, i believe generally that critical thinking skills should be taught and graded every year from kindergarten through university. a mandatory course that is graded on the “two truths and a lie” concept. beginning of the year you state two truths, and one lie. throughout the year or semester you have students discuss it, go over it together. all the while teaching them smaller units on conspiracy theories, science, medicine, biology, economics, politics, human psychology, history, etc. then a large section on logic and class conciousness. and finally, at the end of the year they prepare a group report on the two truths and a lie concept. honestly the two truths and a lie can all be completely fabricated, in fact there could be 3 truths, or 3 lies. or 2 lies and 1 truth. the whole point is that through the years they have to develop an understanding of authority and how it thinks vs how they think. and how to compile real verified evidence to back their claims. even if they chose the right “truth” they have to back up their claims with verified evidence and there can be no emotional or vibe based answers. automatic failure. then, they also have a secondary aspect to this, when they check their sources they also have to dig into who funds them, their history, affiliations, are they internationally recognised, are their studies verified by third parties. etc. each piece of supporting evidence is an extra point to their arguments.
the whole idea is not necessarily to teach them one all encompassing truth, but how to view every situation critically and give them the muscle memory to search for truth without falling victim to grifters and propagandists against their better interests and verify information themselves so they dont just fall victim to isntagram reels, tik tok, and youtube shorts for their information and political ideology.
another layer to this would be to teach them how to use different search engines, VPNs, etc. so they arent getting as many filtered results from people who fund and support fascism.
A few of them probably shouldn’t be blamed for that. We’re dumb as hell but also our government is evil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
Yeah, as much as its easy to say its stupid or selfish to not be vaccinated against xyz, history is littered with examples of, specifically the US government, using vaccines as cover for evil things.
Im vaccinated against everything i could get insurance approval for, but, i cant blame the vaccine hesistant/skeptical person, i blame the system and officials who caused the hesitation/skepticism by abusing medicine for espionage and experimentation, who put their curiosity over the well being of others.
I have all my vaccines, as does my kid. I’m pro vax, and information bullied family members into covid vaccines. I made everyone close to us get a TDAP if they wanted access to my infant.
That said, I have vaccine skepticism! Doctors unfortunately have lost my blanket trust (if they haven’t lost yours, talk to some of the women in your life to hear how they’ve been treated, especially around birth), and drug companies absolutely should not be trusted, at least here in the US. It’s not damaging to question science. Hell, RFK Jr. Is in charge of some of the “science” happening at the top of the country right now. Science is a real broad term.
Science is a real broad term.
Remember kids, the only difference between Science, and Fucking around, is writing it down… Is a double edge sword.
I question getting the flu shot every year.
Not because I doubt vaccines; but because, depending on the year, it sometimes is just not worth it. We develop a new one every year because the strains change every year, but sometimes it changes so fast, or a different strain than the one expected spreads instead, and the shot becomes fairly useless.
I have a family member that works in one of the labs that develops flu shots and she lets us know if it’s worth getting or not. Some years it’s just not. But they aren’t going to publicly announce NOT to get the flu shot because the public are idiots, and a good portion will take that to mean it’s never worth getting.
I have a family member that works in one of the labs that develops flu shots and she lets us know if it’s worth getting or not.
This doesn’t make any sense to me, you’re saying your family member routinely determines that the flu vaccine predictions are false?
Can you elaborate a bit? Because either your family member should be the one making the predictions or this doesn’t add up.
By the time it’s developed, produced, and distributed, they have a pretty good idea on if the strain they developed for has mutated or been outcompeted by a different strain.
Ah, that makes sense.
Doesn’t the current flu vaccine also include COVID? That’s worth getting regardless.
Your family member is an idiot and you’re a fool for taking the advice.
Ok, did you also get your PhD in virology?
Yes.
My understanding is that the flu vaccine helps with all kinds of flu and protects better against the target strain helping them immune system develop protection that improves resistent to other unknown strains.
It takes like 30 minutes and $0 to get the flu shot. That’s pretty low cost, and cheaper than delving into conspiracy slop holes trying to figure out if it’s “worth it”
Might cost you $0 to get the flu shot not me.
That’s the problem though: scientific discourse is actually killed by “both sides”, the conspiracy nutjobs overwhelmed is so much that even common sense discussions around rare edge cases are easily disregarded as “delving into conspiracy”.
To be clear: I’m not blaming you individually but the fuckers who poisoned all discussions to the point where most of us assume bad faith from anyone and anything using the internet. :(
For this example: This is not about conspiracy but about strain management. Until the flu vaccine is produced and distributed we know if the bet this year which strains will dominate actually came true.
For me it’s not a question. I’ll get them anyway - but some people react very strong to the vaccine z having dlu symptoms for up to five days (still not terrible compared to the real thing - but if science already tells us that there’s little to no protection it’s becoming a calculation).
if you don’t work in a hospital or aged care there is zero reason to get an annual flu shot. If anything by getting those shots unnecessarily you are helping new flu strains to emerge
helping new flu strains to emerge
Could you elaborate on this?
STFU
