Others have already pointed out that her distress calls were most certainly not ignored. But even if it were true that others did casually allow her to die, their disregard for her life wouldn’t have been because she was a woman. Her navigator, Fred Noonan, was a man on board and also suffered the same fate as her. Inventing a sexist conspiracy over an unfortunate tragedy accomplishes nothing productive.
Literally never learned he existed, another man erased from history.
It happens a lot to guys who are near women who shine and are memorable, Marie Curie’s husband, Pierre Curie, was more than just her husband he helped with the radioactivity research and they both died because of it. That said how many women have been erased in similar situations like that of Rosalind Franklin being Upstaged by Francis Crick. In short Academia needs to be better about recognition and change the incentive structure that makes for some forcing their names into papers they had nothing to do with besides proximity.
Let’s just forget everyone, instead.
This is a legitimately excellent idea. Remember events, forgot the people.
Never thought i would see someone opposing circle jerking bashing on men and being upvoted for it on Lemmy.
Its nice.
Stop posting censored shit on the internet.
fr. what the fuck is the deal?
It’s ironic that the same reason that Amelia Earhart apparently died, is what causes people to want to censor themselves.
Amelia Earhart fucking ✨died✨
I’m with you, but I couldn’t find an uncensored version in the 3 seconds I spent looking.
Took 3 seconds to fix
A woman couldn’t fail at something, how can we make it a man’s fault?
Why is there splooge on ‘died’?
That’s not why she died. She died because she was incompetent. She was a bad pilot and after a crash the man that was the radio expert quit. She didn’t know how to work the radios and broadcasted to listen on a channel that her radio couldn’t use, she didn’t know how to use the trailing antenna that could have saved them so she had it removed, etc…
This. If she knew how to use her equipment and bothered to learn Morse Code, the best fail-safe of the time, she would have probably been fine. Instead she made a heap of stupid mistakes that cost her life.
Is misinformation okay if it’s a shit post?
Only if it’s misinformation that’s also rage bait
Men are trash sure; but so is this meme.
No entire group of people is trash. This is the same thinking behind misogyny and racism, and is the exact kind of speech that breeds incels.
One could understand “men are trash” as having the meaning “every single man is trash”, which would be in line with racism as you say. Or one could understand it as “the group overall is trash”, meaning any individual member isn’t necessarily trash.
The latter meaning is in some senses a matter of data - men are extremely overrepresented in e.g. violent crimes.
Which, again, doesn’t much about the individual man.
So would you say “Black people overall are trash” is a racist statement?
As I’m clearly in the wrong according to downvotes, could you elaborate on what I’m missing?
I think at the core its like we are all here to be kind to one another. You can point to statistics, historical context, etc… but when it comes down to it, is calling people trash leading with kindness? Is that the kind of speech that seeds good into the world? Is that speech that betters you, men, and women? I don’t think so. I think there are far more kind and constructive ways to have dialogue.
It’s not kind for sure, completely agree. My point was more that even if it’s unkind, it’s not necessarily racism or bioessentialism.
I think we must be kind to individuals, but still acknowledge problems with groups. That does require a shift in mindset to not feel personally impacted by statements about a group you belong to, which is easier said than done.
If you read that from this meme, you might need to go back to school to learn some literacy a bit more.
And we are talking about men from nearly 100 years ago. I think a lot of progress has been made.
My point is thats besides the point. Generalizing the negative nature of an entire group of people is what the nazis did, what the imperial japanese did, what racists do, what rapists do, what homopbobes and transphobes do. You can call out misogyny without aligning your behavior with these horrible people, who’s behaving like this is exactly what brought about this kind of mistreatment in the first place.
And I am once again saying that this argument doesn’t do that. You just conditioned to jump to this misinterpretation as a defense, and people who conditioned you to do so did that for not amazing purposes.
You can believe it doesn’t but obviously your 2014 attitude is in a small minority today
I mean, a nazi-pedophile is the king of US, obviously my attitude is in minority. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re offended at your own misunderstanding of the whole issue.
They were listening on the frequencies she told them to listen on. How could they have known she didn’t know which antenna to broadcast on?
To put things in context, this is what they used for communication between a tank and its commanders in WWI:
When the Titanic sunk in 1912, they had a telegraph on board, but no voice radio.
In the 1920s radio took off as a one-way broadcaster to receiver technology, but it still was only rarely used as two-way communications. That only really started for communications between ships in WWII.
So, although she didn’t know how to use the radio in her plane, it was mostly because radio communication was a brand new thing. I’m sure what they put in her plane wasn’t some off-the-shelf radio that had standard switches, antennas and parts. It was probably cobbled together from various parts and only the truly tech-oriented people understood it.
Doesn’t matter why she wasn’t able to handle her communication tec, she did not die because of male ignorance. If anything it was her ignorance for not learning how to use her equipment
Her radio wasn’t off-the-shelf hardware. But I bet that her plane wasn’t either. What she tried to do required much more effort and knowledge than just operating off-the-shelf tools.
What I am trying to say is that she wasn’t stupid, she was just not prepared enough for the task.
Her plane may not have been off-the-shelf, but I’m sure she was heavily involved in any modification to it. She was a pilot, that was her concern.
She probably didn’t consider herself a radio operator, and didn’t realize how critical it was to fully understand the radio gear.
My guess is that at that point in time, being a radio operator would be like someone who knew something like 3d printing in great detail today. It was a niche skill that involved a lot of obscure knowledge. If someone doesn’t know something like 3d printing, someone can set it all up for them and then say “ok, when you’re ready, hit this button, when you’re done, do this” and they can use it. I assume that’s what happened with the radio setup. Someone with expertise set it up, and it might have worked, but she didn’t know enough to troubleshoot it when it went wrong.
