I look forward to playing it in 20 years.
What is pre-production? Did they already buy the snacks? Are they just thinking about starting?
Basically they’ve written the design document for the next game, which is why they can reveal the engine because that’s been decided on. It doesn’t mean they know the story yet, but they likely have a good general idea, because that would inform the design document.
For example if the game needed jetpacks, but that wasn’t an existing engine feature, then they have a plan for jetpacks. And if you NEED jetpacks, you probably know roughly where they’re going to be used, so you have some gameplay/story ideas mapped out.
But also a design plan and a finished product are very different things. You might plan for one thing, but create something very different.
So the game is probably still 4-5 years away.
if it’s made my Bethesda, i’ll pass. If it’s made by obsidian count me in.
obsidian is doing a spin off before 5 comes out
Which of the latest Obsidian games did you like?
Grounded 1.
And while Pillars of Eternity isn’t my particular cup of tea, others swear by it.
I know the reception to Outer Worlds was “eh” (and I thought it was “eh”). And it was clearly supposed to be a New Vegas-like. But I think people forget Obsidian released 9 games and some great writing since Fallout 4 came out.
For fallout series, every one of them. I prefer them way over the Bethesda fallout games.
So the latest Obsidian game you have played is over 15 years old? If you want a feel for how current day Obsidian games play you should play Avowed or Outer Worlds to before expecting a second New Vegas and setting yourself up for disappointment.
Better to have a chance at hope, then know it will be a disappointment if Bethesda does it
So if this releases after TES 6 I guess I’ll play it with my friends in assisted living?
Right? Like I just turned 48. It’s been 15 years since the last elder scrolls. I don’t count online bc I don’t care about online.
I’ll most likely be pushing 65 by the time fallout 5 releases
Look at it this way: you could be the next “Skyrim Grandma”
I feel like there will be quite a competition once millennials hit that age
See you in the home! Maybe there will be a wheelchair magic item in the game as a joke for fans. Like maybe wheelchair mounts?
Wheelchair mounts are paid DLC
And wheelchair mount armor will be a separate DLC.
ROFL they sure are, BUT possibly covered by insurance.
Sorry, insurance is going to deny that wheelchair claim.
Yeah you’re right it’s not medically necessary.
Man I wish Lemmy had a way to give awards to comments (like old Reddit did), cause this one absolutely deserve it! xD
Yeah yeah yeah half life 3 too.
God I hope Half Life 3 ain’t being built on the Creation Engine. That would suck.
It’d be really weird if it was.
They took so long to start that all the hype is gone. I’ve got anti-hype, I fully expect to be disappointed. It’s going to suck.
I thought fallout 4 was pretty mid, which killed any hype I might’ve had for 5. Did not like having a backstory forced on my character.
So you didn’t liked Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas either? Both games had characters with predefined backstories too.
Fallout 3 was pretty good. New Vegas was solid.
And let’s not be disingenuous, the backstories for both were not taken anywhere close to the level of 4. I’m not playing this game where people try to argue with my opinion of something.
Gamer expectations are crazy high. Fall out 4 was objectively a decent game, and you could do nearly anything you wanted in the game and it had branching narratives. Some people will just never be happy.
I said it was mid not that it was bad, and I didn’t assert my statement as if it was an objective fact. It’s just my opinion.
I had some fun with the usual fallout gameplay but the dialogue and story were the typical Bethesda oversanitized stuff, which I find very boring now. The settlement mechanic was annoying. The backstory killed a lot of the immersion for me especially because it was predictable and kind of cheesy.
There’s no need to get defensive, not everyone is going to like games that you like.
I’m not defensive. I just think gamers have unrealistic expectations these days. Everything needs to be brand new with novel mechanics, hyper realistic, the most interesting story ever or people aren’t happy. It’s boring.
No it was not objectively a good game. There was loads you could dislike about it.
I didn’t like the system they had for in game conversation where the options told you nothing about the maincharacter’s answer. You don’t really know what question the char would ask when an option was labeled [question].
Like I said, some people will never be happy.
@NocturnalMorning @dreamkeeper the last good games were Tetris and Adventure
Pretty sure the only reason they’re doing it is as a token move for some court order or something. I’m really not interested either. No hype for me thanks. I’d rather have an actual game then the nebulous promise of a game that’s going to be disappointing.
Starfield was their last shot for me. They fumbled that.
It’s so XBOX’s new management doesn’t fire Bethesda’s management.
that just means itll surpass expectations of sucking, instead of disappointing hype for not being perfect
But if it surpasses expectations does that mean it gets a raise for doing a good job??!
No. It just gets additional responsibilities with no pay raise.
Genuinely, like, I know where the money went obviously, but what about the shear amount of time they’ve had to make anything, like what the hell was actually happening in that studio honestly
Endless arguments about a new engine vs even more duct tape on the creation engine. Starfield was a tech demo of their latest updates.
Just wait until the official reveal and you’ll be back onboard that hype train in seconds.
The official teaser of TES VI had me hyped. However, the official reveal of TES VI teaser will be old enough to buy TES V in 4 years. By the time it comes out he could be buying TES VI most likely.
People born the year Skyrim was released are almost old enough to drink.
Hooray!
but creation
I’m ecstatic, other engines just aren’t moddable like creation, this is GREAT news.
It’s a very very old engine though. As funny as it is to put a pot on someone’s head I really hope the AI have a bit more brains in this one. It would also be nice if they could stall the interior of buildings inside the exterior so I don’t have to look at a loading screen whenever I open a door.
unreal is older than gamebryo/creation is
and the AI in fo4 was actually pretty smart tho, hoping it gets improved even more
The original unreal engine not UE5 which has been replaced with UE6 now apparently. I don’t think they’ve ever updated the creation engine. One of the reasons that Starfield was so claustrophobically boxed in is because it can’t support very large maps because you can’t move the origin point around, a feature that is present in virtually all 3D game engines including the free open source ones. Hell even the original source engine would have been able to cope with that.
they have definitely upgraded creation engine, 100%
The engine suck donkey dick.
It has technical limitations that cannot be patched around.
other engines just aren’t moddable like creation
Thank fuck for that.
“And the elder scrolls VI is built on the elder scrolls IV engine”
(Probably) Lol
You say that as if Unreal Engine gets a ground-up rewrite for every single version.
Code gets upgraded and adapted over time. And the Creation Engine is no different.
Yes and no. Bugs can be enshrined into core architecture where fixing bugs causes breaking changes.
Fundamental changes will have wide sweeping effects. Old code can be difficult to manage changes in, “why is this the way it is? Is it integral? A hack?” Each change is now slower, harder, and requires careful planning
Clearly their game engine is showing its age and needs some redesign. They are reaching the limits of what they can do within the current architecture.
Clearly their game engine is showing its age and needs some redesign.
Go play Starfield. The story may be bland, but they’ve crammed tons of updated tech in it, and it lived up to the claims of being the least buggy Besthesda release ever
I have no idea how you got that from what I said. I literally pointed it out for that reason…
Elder Scrolls IV used the Gamebryo engine, which is the predecessor/basis of the Creation engine.
That’s what the link says…
For once I’m glad a game will be using Creation Engine. That’s how low Unreal has fallen.
Goddamn everyone here is so dismissive or apathetic, it’s a little disappointing and sad to see.
I’m not 100% gung-ho about this or anything, but I’m pleasantly unsurprised and I’m gonna start building up a tiny bit of excitement for it.
Like why can’t we just be kind of happy or excited that we’re gonna get more of what we like? Does everything really have to have some kind of negative connotation these days?
Starfield kinda killed positive views of Bethesda. Fallout 76 shortly before that essentially eliminating most of the good will they had.
Beyond the technical failures inherent to those titles, even more so than the average Bethesda title, the writing, the story, the atmospheric story telling were all just… bad. Not a single glimmer of what made Skyrim or their previous titles great could really be found. Fallout 76 felt like the most obvious and pathetic cash grab in game release history, being practically unplayable for the first six months of its life… which for an online game is ridiculous; and Starfield legitimately felt like what a dev team that were fans of Skyrim might produce. It felt like a third-party rip off of Bethesda’s style.
Don’t get me wrong both games have their fans, and honestly the hate is overrated as both games are competent, they’re just not good. They’re just not Bethesda games.
Add onto that the fact it’s been 15 years since a significant elder scrolls title was released; because let’s face it no one remembers Blades, ESO is its own thing entirely, and I had to actually google ‘elder scrolls card game’ to remember wtf Legends was called; and you have a recipe for absolute disappointment. Most of the people that worked on Oblivion and Skyrim are gone from the company. The new batch have not made a popular game in that time besides Fallout 4, which is still viewed by half the fallout fan base as the worst fallout game despite Fallout Tactics existing.
The negative outlook is because we aren’t likely to get more of what we like. Especially given Todd Howard’s obsession with using AI. This is much more likely to be a corpse wearing the skin of a beloved franchise than anything worth playing, all for the low-low price of $80+ USD, if not $100+ USD.
For me it’s that I’ve played loads of games that use Bethesda’s tooling and it just ends up feeling pokey and samey to me. They’re hamstrung by their technical choices and after all these years I just don’t have it in me to get excited about their latest stab at making their wheezing toolchain cough out another needlessly sparse experience.
Cool, I’ll give this hype train a miss though.
I mean this should surprise no one after how well the TV show did. Probably not coming till like 2036 and two more rounds of mass layoffs from Xbox.
2036 and two more rounds of mass layoffs from Xbox.
Optimistic to assume only 2 more rounds of layoffs in the next decade, as opposed to next year or two.
Well the second half of the Xbox layoffs that just happened are still coming. Not sure if we’re counting those as one or two separate ones.
Shits fucked
Is Fallout 5 the same game or a different game to the one allegedly being developed by Obsidian?
Different games, Fallout 5 is developed by Bethesda after TES 6, Obsidian is working on another new Fallout
Assuming this was decided after microslop decided to mass produce the Fallout IP faster and faster, I’d say they’re different games.
Mmm… I hoped the IP was transferred from one studio to another. Seems more like a borrowing.
Don’t know what Xbox would do if Obsidian ends making a better game and the Bethesda game is overshadowed by it.
What, like how Obsidian made a better Fallout 3 than Fallout 3 with New Vegas?
Yeah, the difference being Fallout 3 was well received and the studio had some pedigree. While Fallout 76 and Starfield were actively disliked.
I’m not sure what happened with 76 since I lost interest upon finding out it was multiplayer, but it’s really well received now when looking at Steam reviews
Yeah, the game is in a better place now. The problem being they shouldn’t have released as it was.
It got a lot better. Then they changed the seasons and it started getting worse. Around the time they added becoming a ghoul for player characters it was more or less necessary to have their subscription service if you didn’t want to deal with a lot of arbitrary bullshit that was designed to force you to buy the subscription. You basically couldn’t get all the season rewards without it. All that aside it was surprisingly fun and adds a lot of good lore. You can play it more or less like a single player game and when I still played old timer high level characters would often drop gear and resources for new players, it was the most genuinely pleasant online community I’ve ever experienced.
The steam reviews aren’t accurate. The review timeline of steam shows suspiciously low negative reviews during release, a disastrous release with game breaking bugs and a strong backlash against the horrible monetization systems, to say nothing of the shitstorm that bethesda caused outside of the game itself. Iirc that was also a point in time that steam made a big deal out of hiding negative reviews for corpos under the guise of fighting review bombing.
Also it’s still at 50 on metacritic.
Microsoft basically took it from Bethesda and cleared out a bunch of their core staff
The IP might not have been transferred, but Bethesda’s product ownership has been revoked. They didn’t even let outside teams touch their offshoot projects (like apps), and now the IP is probably going to be milked
Maybe obsidian will do something interesting with it before it inevitably is reduced to slop
Given the downward trend from 3 -> 4 (and from 2 -> 3 from what I hear) this is a game that will really need to impress before I consider picking it up.
2 to 3 isn’t really a genuine comparison though. They’re different genres.
I’d argue 4 is actually better than 3, just not in any way that actually makes it worth playing. 4 is a mediocre S.T.A.L.K.E.R. like, 3 is hot garbage.
Maybe it’s because 3 was the first one I played, but 4 seemed much more shallow.
Worse mini games and you show up on an organisations doorstep and 10 mins later you’re running the place.
you show up on an organisations doorstep and 10 mins later you’re running the place.
That’s every bethesda game. “Hey guy who did 7 mages guild fetch quests, congratulations you’re the new arch mage. Now do some more fetch quests.”
You’re not wrong, but F4 felt particularly unearned.
Maybe I was spoiled by things like The Witcher.
the writing isn’t that much better in 3, the gameplay loop in 4 is vastly improved over 3, however.
3 and New Vegas are great games. 4 was okay, they just sold a lot of the soul in exchange for mass appeal, just like Skyrim did compared to Oblivion and Morrowind
I dont believe you
