- cross-posted to:
- fuck_ai@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- fuck_ai@lemmy.world
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Title text: This is how you all fucking sound
[A smug tech bro wearing a sideways cap, watch, chain around his neck stands in front of a data center by a lake with dead fish. A smoke stack blows pollution into the air]
Tech bro: AI is already here, there’s no going back.
[A smug man in a suit with cigarette in hand stands in a restaurant while two disgruntled diners cough from the smoke]
Suit: Smoking indoors is already here, there’s no going back.
[A smug man in a top hat and suit stands in a factory with two sad and dirty children]
Hat: Child labor is already here, there’s no going back.
[A smug plantation owner stands in front of a field with with two angry slaves]
Plantation owner: The Atlantic Slave trade is already here, there’s no going back.
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Now people watch their phone while eating and the public discourse is filled with their algorithm infused opinions.
Globalisation took care of the rest. Children still work, slaves still exist, but not visible to us.
AI can be hidden but not prevented.
Have you guys seen Reddit lately? It’s nothing but bots and AI. Its such a weird time.
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Yes I remember when endorsed slavery, child labour and smoking indoors - I was such an idiot
My theory is that eventually there is going to be so much ai slop on the web all ai will inevitably stop working and the whole thing will collapse
I find it ironic that every top comment author seems to feel the urge to point out why it’s actually different, but never question the point. I’m also sick of people telling me there’s no turning back, like, yeah, you do you, bro. My life is great without social networks, which are not going anywhere I guess.
This article assumes the person in the first panel wouldn’t want the 3 panels to not still be the case.
https://futurism.com/data-centers-financial-bubble
The massive investments being made aren’t economically viable.
“Leaded gasoline is already there, there’s no going back.”
id say the head over heels visceral hatred of ai is more common than any sort of praise. not sure who “all” means.
And it’s important to remember, when everyone thought slavery was all good because it’s free labor, it cost government a lot of money to remove it because they had to pay the slave owners compensation. That’s disregarding the human rights and plethora of problems.
For “I’m fiscally right” people, your money will go towards all these extravaganza when it inevitably doesn’t bring back the money expended on it.
Smoking indoors, child labor and slavery are all still here, just transformed and under a different coat of paint
While there are landlords, there will be landlord specials.
no where as celebrated as bragging openly.
Can you elaborate?
- smoking indoors is done a lot via electronic cigarettes which produce no noticeable smoke
- slavery is still widely practiced through a loophole; in many countries it’s legal if it’s part of prison work, and many big corporations “rent” convicts for cheap
- child labor is also still very active in certain countries, which many western companies outsource their work to
It’s comparing apples to oranges.
AI is software. We never stopped any software change before. Even heavily disliked and banned systems like crypto currency or vpns etc. still exist.
For the record I agree that AI needs more regulation and we could even force stop development of new models but LLMs will never be stopped in any meaningful way. You can take an open source model and run it today.
LLMs are here to stay until it’s replaced by other technology.
AI is software. We never stopped any software change before.
Good point, hard to stop something that has near zero cost of copying (see also ‘piracy’)
Which is why techbros are trying to put a moat around it with ‘datacentres’ . Problem is, as the tech advances, it keeps getting smaller. QWEN 3.6 27B can run fine on a 16GB video card and if you give it more time it’ll be as ‘smart’ as bigger models. Doesn’t have as much world knowledge as the bigs, but for many usecases that’s irrelevant.
Really, ‘datacentres’ are more about stealing compute from the masses so they can rent it back, with control.
QWEN 3.6 27B can run fine on a 16GB video card and if you give it more time it’ll be as ‘smart’ as bigger models.
As much as I’d like this to be true (don’t believe all the benchmarks), in reality, using e.g. gpt 5.5 is still a lot less pain in the ass, mostly has to do with more reprompting (gpt is just smarter, oneshots stuff more often) + a lot slower (on an RTX 3090 for reference).
I’ve tried using it for some time, but I think I’m faster writing (better, although that’s also true for gpt-5.5) code by hand, than using this (+ I need the valuable VRAM for other stuff, as I’m a graphics/shader programmer most of the time).
That said, it’s already fairly impressive how much progress these smaller models have made the last year, it’s usable, you can “vibe-code” at least simple stuff.
Eh, valid I do in fact agree and perhaps I exaggerated with 16GB, I do in fact have two,
As much as I’d like this to be true (don’t believe all the benchmarks), in reality, using e.g. gpt 5.5 is still a lot less pain in the ass, mostly has to do with more reprompting (gpt is just smarter, oneshots stuff more often) + a lot slower (on an RTX 3090 for reference).
You’re not wrong, but perhaps you are not giving them adequete time to be wrong. Oneshotting is not the be-all, right is, especially maintainably correct. I’ve found letting them fight over it useful.
You may have a good point here that changed my opinion on datacenter opposition. We definitely need more datacenter compute and always will but maybe making it more difficult can shift the market towards on device compute or smaller servers so opposing datacenters can be a net good outcome.
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